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NASA unlikely to return Mars samples in the 2020s
by Jeff Foust — February 26, 2019
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An earlier concept for a Mars ascent vehicle, which would transport samples collected from the Martian surface into orbit. Those samples would be returned to Earth by another spacecraft. NASA/JPL-Caltech
WASHINGTON — Despite a new emphasis on a streamlined, “lean” sample return architecture, a NASA official says it’s unlikely that suite of missions will be able to return Martian rock and soil samples to the Earth before the end of the 2020s.
Speaking at a virtual meeting of the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group (MEPAG) Feb. 15, Michael Meyer, lead scientist for NASA’s Mars Exploration Program, said that planning for the series of missions that will return samples to Earth is still in its early stages.
“Our hopes are that the 2020 budget will increase so that we can actually start serious planning and moving towards doing missions for a sample return,” he said. The White House is expected to release its fiscal year 2020 budget proposal in mid-March.
NASA’s fiscal year 2019 budget requested $50 million to support work on future missions after the Mars 2020 rover, with an emphasis on planning for missions that will collect samples cached by Mars 2020 and return them to Earth. The report accompanying the final fiscal year 2019 spending bill, signed into law Feb. 15, didn’t mention how much of the nearly $2.8 billion allocated for planetary science would go to such planning, but Meyer said he understood there was “some additional money for studying sample return.”
NASA unveiled a concept in 2017 called “lean sample return” (https://spacenews.com/nasa-proposes-rapid-mars-sample-return-architecture/) intended to simplify and lower the cost of future missions to retrieve and return samples collected by Mars 2020. One mission would land near the Mars 2020 site and use a rover to collect samples, loading them into a small rocket that would launch them into Martian orbit. A second mission would grab the sample canister in orbit and return it to the Earth, perhaps in the late 2020s.
Neither the lander to retrieve the samples nor the orbiter to return them to Earth are formal NASA projects. The agency currently has no missions on the books after Mars 2020 and, in its 2019 budget proposal, kept projected funding for future Mars mission planning at a notional $50 million a year through the early 2020s.
Asked at the MEPAG meeting if NASA has a planning date for when those future missions would return samples, Meyer didn’t rule out getting them back in 2029, but sounded skeptical that would be possible.
“I think the earliest possible date that we could hope for sample return is 2029. I think that is tough,” he said, in part because of budgets. “I think the real answer may be 2031, and a lot of that depends on when we can get started.”
Meyer said that NASA also plans to start working soon on a strategic plan for Mars exploration, which will support planning for the next decadal survey in planetary sciences in the early 2020s. The goal, he said, is “to have a program that isn’t just sample return but also what else we should be doing at Mars in the coming decade or two.”
Source: https://spacenews.com/nasa-unlikely-to-return-mars-samples-in-the-2020s/
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Mars sample return mission plans begin to take shape
by Jeff Foust — July 28, 2019 [SN]
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ESA issued a call for proposals July 23 for the Earth Return Orbiter, which will return Mars samples collected by two other NASA missions back to Earth. Credit: ESA/ATG Medialab
WASHINGTON — While neither NASA nor the European Space Agency has yet to give formal approval, or funding, for missions to return samples from Mars, both agencies are taking steps to refine plans for what those missions will be.
Those plans, discussed at a Mars science conference and working group meeting last week, would involve two launches in 2026 to send spacecraft to fetch samples collected by NASA’s Mars 2020 rover and return them to Earth in 2031.
NASA and ESA officials signed a statement of intent in April 2018 to study cooperation on a series, or “campaign,” of Mars sample return missions that follow a “lean” sample return architecture announced by NASA in August 2017 (https://spacenews.com/nasa-proposes-rapid-mars-sample-return-architecture/). Under the proposed cooperation, NASA would provide a Mars lander mission, with a European-built rover, that would grab the samples collected by Mars 2020 and place them into a Mars ascent vehicle, a small rocket that would launch them into Mars orbit. An Earth return orbiter, built by ESA, would collect the sample container and return it to Earth.
That remains the overall plan, Jim Watzin, director of NASA’s Mars Exploration Program, said in a July 26 presentation at a meeting of the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group (MEPAG) in Pasadena, California. “We want to pull this plan together and present it to the decision authorities for a decision by the end of the 2019 timeframe,” he said.
The plan as it currently exists, and as he presented at the MEPAG meeting, calls for two launches in 2026. The first, in the summer, would be the NASA lander, followed in the fall by the ESA orbiter. Both would take non-standard trajectories to get to Mars, with the orbiter getting there in about a year with the assistance of solar electric propulsion, while the lander would take two years to get to Mars.
While launch windows for Mars open for several weeks every 26 months, Watzin said not every opportunity is feasible for the pair of Mars sample return missions. “Propulsion demands are enormous,” he said. “There’s a couple opportunities where the energetics are manageable for a reasonable budget and reasonable technology. The rest of the opportunities require the invention of new things.”
If both missions launch in 2026, the lander will touch down near the Mars 2020 site in 2028 and send out a rover to collect samples. Most of those samples will be in tubes left behing on the ground by the Mars 2020 rover, but Watzin said there is the option for Mars 2020, if it is still functioning, to deliver some samples directly to the lander in the event something goes wrong with the fetch rover. “I think we’ve conquered one of the big worries, and we’ve put robustness into retrieval of the tubes,” he said.
The lander’s ascent vehicle will then place the sample container into orbit, where the orbiter collects it and places it into an Earth entry vehicle. The Mars orbiter then returns to Earth using electric propulsion, arriving in 2031. The entry vehicle will reenter and crash-land in a test range in Utah.
While the proposed campaign of missions has yet to win formal approval by NASA and ESA, both agencies are moving ahead. Watzin said NASA held an acquisition strategy meeting July 12 about the Mars sample return campaign. At the end of the meeting, agency leadership gave Watzin approval to move into budget development for NASA’s contributions to the mission and continue cooperation with ESA. “It was a very positive, very important milestone gate for us to get through,” he said.
ESA is also moving forward with its contributions. It released July 23 an “invitation to tender,” a form of request for proposals, to industry to build the orbiter, based on recently completed studies of the orbiter’s design. Watzin said ESA is going forward with the call for proposals even though ESA’s member states won’t decide whether to fund the program until the Space19+ ministerial meeting in late November.
“I’m really proud and impressed with how aggressively and seriously ESA is stepping up, trying to make this a reality,” he said. ‘Their intent is to use the time between now and when they hope to get approval from the ministerial to do that solicitation, do an evaluation of the proposals and be in a good posture to make a selection and release a contract shortly after approval to proceed.”
NASA’s plans will depend on funding in future budget requests. The fiscal year 2020 budget proposal sought $109 million for work on future Mars missions, principally sample return, building upon the $50 million requested in 2019. “We are in the process of preparing a description of the programmatic content we would like, and makes sense and is responsive, and the appropriate budgets that go with that, and work it into the budget process,” he said. He did not disclose how much he expected the overall Mars sample return campaign, or NASA’s contributions, would cost.
Source: https://spacenews.com/mars-sample-return-mission-plans-begin-to-take-shape/
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Lockheed Martin wins contract to build rocket for Mars Sample Return (https://www.forum.kosmonauta.net/index.php?topic=4264.msg176888#msg176888)
by Jeff Foust — February 8, 2022 [SN]
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The Mars Ascent Vehicle, seen here in an earlier NASA design, will launch from the surface of Mars to place samples collected by the Perseverance rover into orbit. Credit: NASA
WASHINGTON — NASA has selected Lockheed Martin to build a small rocket that will transport samples collected by the Perseverance rover into orbit around Mars.
The agency said Feb. 7 it awarded a contract valued at up to $194 million to Lockheed to develop the Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV), an essential element of the overall Mars Sample Return campaign being developed by NASA and the European Space Agency.
The MAV will be transported to Mars on a NASA-led Sample Retrieval Lander, which will also carry an ESA-developed rover. That rover will pick up samples of Martian rock and regolith cached by Perseverance and return them to the lander. Perseverance may also return some samples to the lander on its own.
https://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-wins-contract-to-build-rocket-for-mars-sample-return/
NASA to delay Mars Sample Return, switch to dual-lander approach
by Jeff Foust — March 27, 2022 [SN]
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Under the revised Mars Sample Return architecture, one lander will carry the Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV) rocket (above) that will transport samples into orbit and another lander will carry a rover to pick up those samples and transport them to the MAV. Credit: NASA
WASHINGTON — NASA plans to delay the next phase of its Mars Sample Return campaign and split a lander mission into two separate spacecraft to reduce the overall risk of the program.
At a March 21 meeting of the National Academies’ Space Studies Board, Thomas Zurbuchen, NASA associate administrator for science, revealed that NASA and the European Space Agency had agreed to revise the schedule and design for upcoming missions that will return samples being cached by the Perseverance rover to Earth.
https://spacenews.com/nasa-to-delay-mars-sample-return-switch-to-dual-lander-approach/
NASA to study two alternative architectures for Mars Sample Return
by Jeff Foust January 7, 2025
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A photo montage showing sample tubes shortly after they were deposited onto the surface by NASA’s Perseverance Mars rover. Credit: NASA/JPL-CALTECH/MSSS
ORLANDO, Fla. — NASA will spend the next year and a half studying two different approaches for returning samples from Mars, one leveraging technologies used on previous Mars missions and the other new commercial vehicles.
NASA leadership announced Jan. 7 that it would pursue studies of two architectures for its Mars Sample Return effort that would take samples currently being collected by the Perseverance rover and bring them back to Earth as soon as 2035.
The main difference between the two options would be how to deliver a redesigned sample retrieval lander to the surface of Mars, which would take the samples from Perseverance and launch them into orbit on a rocket called the Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV). The samples would then be picked up by a European spacecraft, the Earth Return Orbiter, and brought back to Earth.
The first option, which NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said would cost between $6.6 billion and $7.7 billion, would use the “sky crane” technology previously developed by Jet Propulsion Laboratory for landing the Perseverance and Curiosity rovers. The second option, with projected costs of $5.8 billion to $7.1 billion, would use a commercially provided “heavy lander”.
The first option appears similar to what JPL proposed to NASA last year when the agency solicited studies from within and outside the agency on alternative approaches to MSR. JPL said it would be possible to use the sky crane technology for landing a scaled-down sample retrieval lander with a smaller MAV, estimating it would reduce in half NASA’s estimates of $11 billion to carry out MSR.
NASA did not disclose details on what commercial landers would be used the second option. Nicky Fox, NASA associate administrator for science, declined to discuss specifics about what companies proposed, citing proprietary information. Both Blue Origin and SpaceX did receive study contracts in June 2024 for concepts that would incorporate technologies they are developing for Blue Origin’s Blue Moon and SpaceX’s Starship lunar landers.
“The main difference is in the landing mechanism,” she said of the two options being considered.
Both systems would deliver a redesigned sample retrieval landing platform. It would use a radioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG) for power rather than solar panels, a move intended to simplify operations of the lander and better deal with dust storms that would impair solar panels. It would also use a smaller MAV, although NASA did not release details on changes in the design of the rocket that was one focus of the study contracts awarded last June.
The landing platform will also include a redesigned sample loading system for transferring sample tubes from Perseverance to the lander in a way that maintains backward planetary protection, or prevention of contamination back on Earth from Martian dust on the outside of the tubes. That is intended to simplify a NASA-designed capture and containment system on ESA’s Earth Return Orbiter that had also been a challenge to develop.
Fox said NASA will work through roughly the middle of 2026 to refine the two architectures. The JPL-developed sky crane, she noted, needs to handle a lander about 20% heavier than what was used for earlier rovers, while other work will focus on the design of the MAV. “It’s almost the normal engineering that we would do to get it up to the preliminary design review level of maturity,” she said.
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A comparison of the size of the existing design for the MSR lander (right) with a smaller concept proposed by JPL that can use the proven “sky crane” landing system. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
Budgets and schedules
That initial work, Nelson said, requires Congress to provide at least $300 million in a fiscal year 2025 appropriations bill. NASA originally zeroed out MSR in its 2025 budget request last March, then requested $200 million. A House spending bill introduced last year would have provided $650 million while a Senate version offered $200 million. Congress has yet to pass a final 2025 spending bill, more than three months into the fiscal year.
Fox said that the revised plans would allow for a launch of ESA’s orbiter in 2030 followed by the sample retrieval lander as soon as 2031, allowing samples to be returned no earlier than 2035 but potentially as late as 2039. Nelson said how quickly the samples can be brought back will depend on how much Congress is willing to spend now.
“A bottom line of $300 million is what the Congress ought to consider,” he said. “If they want to get this thing back on a direct return earlier, they’re going to have to put more money into it, even more than $300 million.”
Nelson said he had not directly discussed MSR plans with the incoming Trump administration, saying he has deferred to the “formal transition apparatus” for discussions. However, he defended the decision to study two options and defer a final decision to the next administration. “I think it was a responsible thing to do not to hand the new administration just one alternative if they want to have Mars Sample Return, which I can’t imagine that they don’t.”
The revised plans make it in increasingly likely that the first samples brought back from Mars will be by a Chinese effort that could launch as soon as 2028. Nelson, though, was dismissive of the “grab and go” Chinese plan that would grab samples accessible only at the landing site, rather than the science-driven NASA-led effort to collect samples specifically designed to provide insights in the habitability of Mars early in the planet’s history.
“They’re just going to have a mission to grab and go,” he said. “That does not give you the comprehensive look for the science community. So, you cannot compare the two missions.”
Speaking at the AIAA SciTech Forum here Jan. 6, Laurie Leshin, director of JPL, emphasized the science the samples being collected by Perseverance can provide. She cited an example of one sample that she said contained characteristics that, on Earth, would be considered ancient biosignatures. “That sample is now in the belly of Perseverance, waiting to come home and for us to tear apart in our labs and answer this question about life on Mars,” she said. “Our job is to go get it.”
She outlined the sky crane approach that JPL proposed, but provided no hints about whether it would be selected. She added that she was open to other ways to get the samples back. “If we’ve got Starships going to Mars, great. We’d love to put our lander inside of one of those.”
https://spacenews.com/nasa-to-study-two-alternative-architectures-for-mars-sample-return/
NASA’s Mars Sample Return mission is dead (https://www.forum.kosmonauta.net/index.php?topic=4264.msg203581#msg203581)
6 Jan 2026 5:10 PM ET By Paul Voosen
Congress backs Trump administration’s efforts to kill project that would ferry martian rocks to Earth
After years on life support, NASA’s plan to collect martian rocks and ferry them back to Earth has died. Yesterday, Congress released a compromise spending bill for the present financial year that backs the White House’s effort to kill the Mars Sample Return (MSR) program. Although the bill must be passed by both congressional chambers and signed into law, it effectively signals the end of MSR.
The decision leaves in limbo planetary scientists’ top research objective and abandons, at least for now, several dozen rock cores collected by the Perseverance rover in anticipation that a future mission would rocket them into space. “This is deeply disappointing,” says Victoria Hamilton, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute and chair of NASA’s Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group. “When we’ve got memos coming out saying we want to be the dominant power in space, I wonder how we leave something this ambitious behind.”
At the same time, the demise of MSR could open up spending for planetary projects that have stalled at NASA, such as two missions already selected for Venus and the development of a probe to Uranus. Those hopes received a shot in the arm with the compromise spending bill, which would budget $7.25 billion for NASA science—a 1% cut from the previous year, but far more than the White House’s proposal to slash the agency’s science budget in half.
Amid its defense of NASA science, however, the text of the compromise bill was clear: “The agreement does not support the existing Mars Sample Return program.” Still, Congress did not cut the program entirely, shifting $110 million into a “Mars Future Missions” program meant to continue the development of technologies that MSR had been developing, including systems for landing spacecraft in the thin martian atmosphere. The money could allow NASA to hit the reset button on the program sometime in the future, says Jack Kiraly, director of government relations at the Planetary Society, an advocacy organization.
MSR had long pitted planetary scientists against each other, as fears grew that its ballooning cost—which rose to $11 billion in 2024—would consume far too much of NASA’s science budget. That led to repeated threats of cancellation from Congress, only for the program to survive in a more limited form while NASA reworked its plans. The agency’s final proposal for the mission, released in January 2025, would have brought its cost back down to $7 billion, closer to earlier estimates. But even that price tag was too high, with other NASA science missions struggling with cost overruns.
The failing U.S. commitment to returning the Perseverance samples has ramifications beyond the United States. MSR was meant to be a joint project with the European Space Agency (ESA), which would provide a spacecraft to catch a container holding the rock samples after it was rocketed off the martian surface. This “Earth Return Orbiter” would then carry the rocks back to our planet. ESA has already done much work on the spacecraft, and it indicated late last year that the project could now be reworked into a standalone mission to study martian geology from orbit. That could potentially add to MSR’s price tag if the mission was eventually revived, should the ESA craft no longer be available.
The faltering plans for MSR come as the scientific value of the rocks collected by Perseverance has grown. In 2024, the rover discovered what many researchers believe could be the best potential evidence for past life on the planet. Drilled out of a dry riverbed spilling into Jezero Crater, the ancient lake the rover has explored since its arrival in 2021, the Cheyava Falls sample contains mineral deposits called “leopard spots” that resemble traces typically left by microbes on Earth. But whether life created the features is impossible to say without getting the sample into labs on Earth. “A rock with a potential biosignature is awaiting return now, and other rocks hold breakthrough discoveries,” says Bethany Ehlmann, a planetary scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder.
Abandoning the effort would signal a loss of U.S. leadership, especially at a time when China is building its own sample-return program to Mars, says Philip Christensen, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University. “The science return from MSR [would] be exceptional and would provide the scientific and engineering foundation for sending humans to Mars.”
There are also pressing, practical questions about what NASA will do with the remaining time available to Perseverance, which is nearing 5 years of exploration and has nearly finished stocking its sample tubes, Hamilton says. “We’d really like to hear from NASA sooner than later that they will work with the community on a plan to get these samples.”
doi: 10.1126/science.zrxt2ge
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Paul Voosen
Paul Voosen is the earth, climate, and planetary science reporter at Science, covering everything from the fringes of the atmosphere to the innermost inner core, on Earth and elsewhere in the Solar System. He can be found on Signal at voosen.01.
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To amerykańskie MSR jest wyjątkowo kosztowne i skomplikowane, Chińczycy zrobią to dużo prościej taniej szybciej, nie mogę zrozumieć, po co NASA wymyśliła coś tak cudacznie skomplikowanego.
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Sprawa wydaje się oczywista. NASA nie należy do instytucji szczególnie oszczędnych. Jak każda rozdęta administracja wymaga dużo kasy i preferuje długotrwałe finansowanie. Mnie to szczególnie nie martwi, jako, że nie jestem amerykańskim podatnikiem, a jedynie entuzjastą astronautyki i witam z zadowoleniem każdą kasę na rozwój. Oczywiście lepiej by było taniej i szybciej, ale nie można przecież mieć wszystkiego ;).
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Sprawa wydaje się oczywista. NASA nie należy do instytucji szczególnie oszczędnych. Jak każda rozdęta administracja wymaga dużo kasy i preferuje długotrwałe finansowanie. Mnie to szczególnie nie martwi, jako, że nie jestem amerykańskim podatnikiem, a jedynie entuzjastą astronautyki i witam z zadowoleniem każdą kasę na rozwój. Oczywiście lepiej by było taniej i szybciej, ale nie można przecież mieć wszystkiego ;).
... jasne, zawsze tak sie mowi a potem SLS leci pierwszy;-) Odkrycia i nowe rozwiazania kosztuja, jak ktos na nie nie
wydaje to ich nie ma. to zawsze "marnotrastwo" kasy. Z powazaniem
Adam Przybyla
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A, jakież to nowe rozwiązania proponuje Mars Sample Return w obecnym kształcie?
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A, jakież to nowe rozwiązania proponuje Mars Sample Return w obecnym kształcie?
... no przeciez to teraz norma, ze przywozimy tonami kawalki Marsa na Ziemie;-) Z powazaniem
Adam Przybyla
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Powtórzę moje pytanie jeszcze raz, powoli I dużymi literami, bo może pan nie zrozumiał. Jakież to nowe rozwiązania proponuje Mars Sample Return w obecnym kształcie?
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Powtórzę moje pytanie jeszcze raz, powoli I dużymi literami, bo może pan nie zrozumiał. Jakież to nowe rozwiązania proponuje Mars Sample Return w obecnym kształcie?
... nie mamy gotowego rozwiazania przywozacego probki, to jest nowe. Jesli liczysz ze zrobia jakies ufo, to nie ten dzial;-)
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Adam Przybyla
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Czyli cała misja Chang'e 5 to UFO, napęd jonowy zapewniają wróżki, nikt nigdy nie wystrzelił z innego ciała niebieskiego próbek wcześniej przywiezioną razem z paliwem rakietą, a łazikiem na energię słoneczną, tez nikt na innym ciele niebieskim, a zwłaszcza na Marsie, nie jeździł. Dobrze rozumiem?
A na poważnie. Mars Sample Return, nie oferuje nowych rozwiązań. Właśnie dlatego, że polega na starych rozwiązaniach, zamiast na przykład na serio zająć się kwesta uzyskiwania paliwa in situ, jest tak bardzo przekombinowana, a tym samym, bardzo podatna na niepowodzenie.
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.. ale amerykanie tego nie maja. A co do jonowego napedu, to imho bedzie w zestawie;-) Z powazaniem
Adam Przybyla
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Czego nie mają amerykanie? Technologi dokowania na orbicie? Napędów jonowych? Łazików napędzanych energią słoneczną?
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... wszystkiego zlozonego do kupy, subtelnie ujjmujac;-) To ze maja poszczegolne elementy w dodatku nie przetestowane
na potrzeby tak odleglej misji to nic, to musi zadzialac razem. A co do dokowania, hmm, maja kilak niezaleznych technologii,
od tego co ma specex, co bylo testowane w shuttle z iss i wojskowa technologia z orbital express. Maja w czym wybierac;-)
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Adam Przybyla
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Czyli nie mają, technologi, ale ja mają. Dobrze zrozumiałem? ::)
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Nie maja. Z powazaniem
Adam Przybyla
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Oh, czyli oglądałem trzy godziny renderów. Ale mnie ten Musk oszukał!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GDJC3Ljtc
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Nie maja technologii pobrania probej z Marsa i wyslania na Ziemie. Z powazaniem
Adam Przybyla