Gravity Assist: The Moon's Holy GRAIL, with Maria Zuber (2)
Maria Zuber, professor at MIT, with NASA's Chief Scientist Jim Green. Credits: NASAJim Green: Well, you know, one of the really unique imaging instruments you had on GRAIL was called MoonKAM. What was the purpose of that instrument?
Maria Zuber: So MoonKAM, the sole purpose of that experiment was educational outreach. Our outreach leader for the mission was Sally Ride.
Maria Zuber: Sally was the first American woman to fly in space.
Maria Zuber: She had a vision that we could put cameras on the GRAIL spacecraft and that students in classrooms across America and actually internationally could download the software, learn how to use the software and take their own images of the Moon.
Maria Zuber: And the challenge with that is that when you put an instrument on a spacecraft, this instrument wasn't required for the science part of the mission, therefore it couldn't undergo as much testing and scrutiny and use the same kind of high level parts for cost reasons. So it was a challenge to make it work. But I'll tell you, everybody on our team, most of the people had kids and grandkids and everybody treated the cameras associated with MoonKAM just like they did the radio systems on the spacecraft. So everybody thought it was important.
Maria Zuber: MoonKAM took over 200,000 images of the Moon.
Jim Green: Wow.
Maria Zuber: And Sally and I, we went out to classrooms across America and we sat down in classrooms. There was a fear, is it only going to be affluent classrooms on either coast of the United States? Classrooms in every state adopted MoonKAM.
Jim Green: Wonderful.
Maria Zuber: And we went to some of these classrooms and every kid in the class knew how to run the software. There was always one child or two who taught everybody else how to do it.
Jim Green: Sure.
Maria Zuber: And some students would say, "Well, I want to take a picture of a crater," or, "I want to take a picture of a lava flow." But then some students would say, "Oh, I would like to take a picture of wherever the camera is when it's my birthday," okay?
Jim Green: Okay. Sure.
Maria Zuber: So the concept of MoonKAM was that there are many images of the Moon, but there's nothing like your image of the Moon.
Jim Green: Correct. Correct.
Maria Zuber: So if you take your own image of the Moon, it becomes deeply meaningful to you. And kids are smart. They will learn whatever they need to learn to do something interesting. So Sally Ride Science, the nonprofit that led that experiment, they're actually tracking the MoonKAM students now to find out what these students do in their careers.
Maria Zuber: And I think we're going to have—
Jim Green: Well, they have to know the Moon really well to pick out what they want to do.
Maria Zuber: We're going to have a lot of budding scientists, I think. I think and I hope.
Jim Green: That's great.
Jim Green: Well, the Moon is so important to the Earth. What are some of the reasons why we are so lucky to have a Moon?
Maria Zuber: Well other than the fact that it's beautiful and it gives us something we can observe at night and something that we can aspire—
Jim Green: And we can sing about.
Maria Zuber: …to study, And we have a big Moon compared to other planets that have Moons because ours is formed by a giant impact into the Earth, we believe. It stabilizes our climate because the tilt of the Earth is limited because of the force of the Moon there. It's hard to overcome the force of the Moon being nearby.
Maria Zuber: And so for example, the tilt of the Earth causes our seasons. The tilt of the Earth changes over time, but over many, many thousands of years on the Earth, it changes less than a degree, okay, whereas if we didn't have a Moon, the tilt of the Earth could change faster. And even though our tilt changes only very slightly, it's still enough to give us ice ages.
Jim Green: Yeah.
Maria Zuber: So imagine if the tilt changed much quicker.
Maria Zuber: So interestingly, Mars right now has a tilt almost the same as the Earth's. It's just coincidence because both the Earth's tilt and Mars' tilt change. But Mars' Moons are tiny so they don't have that stabilizing influence that Earth's Moon does. So Mars goes through variations in its tilt, chaotic cycles where there are times when the current poles of Mars get more heating from the sun than the equator does. So that obviously has serious climatic consequences.
Maria Zuber: And so, there have been papers written where people have proposed that the Moon -- the presence of the Moon actually helped facilitate life to develop. We don't know that life wouldn't have developed --
Jim Green: At least complex life.
Maria Zuber: If the Earth doesn't have a Moon. But for whatever beings or microbes, they would have had to be more adaptable in terms of their ability to handle different climatic conditions if the Earth did not have a Moon of the size it does.
Jim Green: Thinking of Mars now, do you think it would be important to do a GRAIL-like mission at Mars?
Maria Zuber: Yeah. We've been thinking about that.
Maria Zuber: GRAIL was based on a mission concept called GRACE which mapped the Earth. And on the Earth, the two spacecraft couldn't get down real low because of the atmosphere. So you couldn't get the high resolution ... the very, very super high resolution that we got for the Moon.
Maria Zuber: But when GRACE mapped the Earth, it measured changes in gravity. Changes in gravity due to water outflow and aquifers and ice sheets melting. So there are actually really interesting changes that go on Mars. And Mars is a dynamic planet. So for example, every year, and one Mars year is 687 Earth days, on every year on Mars, a third of its atmosphere exchanges with the polar cap. So it snows out on the polar caps.
Maria Zuber: And this causes the gravity field of the Moon to change by a part in a billion. And that's actually pretty big.
Jim Green: Yeah.
Maria Zuber: It sounds like a small number but a part in a billion, we could measure with a GRAIL-like mission. So you could track the seasonal changes. And if there are underground aquifers on Mars in the present day, you would ... If there are any changes in those aquifers, so if for example in the summer season, if water thawed and flowed underground, it would be conceivably possible to track that.
Jim Green: Well, our next step in lunar exploration is the Artemis program where we're going to have the first woman and the next man step foot on the south pole of the Moon in 2024. So Maria, how excited are you about that?
Maria Zuber: Send me.
Jim Green: Well, I can assure you the GRAIL data will be extremely important for that to happen.
Maria Zuber: I'm delighted to contribute in any small way that I can.
Jim Green: Well Maria, I always like to ask my guests to tell me what was that activity, that person place or thing in their life that really got them so excited about planetary science that they changed their direction and it was accelerated to be the scientist they are today. And I call that a gravity assist. So Maria, what was your gravity assist?
Maria Zuber: So actually, I'm an unusual case because I have wanted to study space since I was a baby in my playpen watching the first Mercury rocket. So that could be it, deciding to study space. But deciding to study planetary, when I applied to graduate school, I applied to both astrophysics programs and planetary science programs. And it was around the time that Voyager was flying past Jupiter.
Maria Zuber: And I just said, "When you go someplace and you look at something that you've never seen before or you look at it at higher resolution or with a different set of eyes, discovery is assured."
Jim Green: Sure.
Maria Zuber: So it was really seeing those images come back from Voyager that I think really drew me towards planetary science as opposed to the rest of the universe.
Jim Green: Well, that's great. Well, thanks so much for joining me on "Gravity Assist."
Maria Zuber: Well, thanks Jim. I'm happy to be here. And actually, let me just say that I love the title of the show.
Jim Green: Great. I do too. Well, join me next time as we continue our exploration of the Moon. I'm Jim Green and this is your "Gravity Assist."Credits: Lead Producer: Elizabeth Landau
Audio Engineer: Emanuel Cooper
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